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i would like to introduce my

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cohort in this venture mr ronald mains

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who is the general manager of wtap tv

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and radio

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and we are here to

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ask this gentleman questions

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and we will be asking questions for the

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next half hour

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to 25 minutes

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our guest is mr dernberger

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route number two mineral wells west

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virginia mr dernberger has a very

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interesting story to tell us this

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evening

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i will

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give you a thumbnail sketch to begin

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with

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whether or not you believe in

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unidentified flying objects or not is

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not the point

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whether you believe in what you hear or

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see on this program is not the point

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we are here to talk to a man that

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allegedly

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did make contact

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with such an object

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within the parkersburg area

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last evening

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november the 2nd 1966 and approximately

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7 25 pm

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the incident allegedly took place on

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interstate highway 77 near the

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interchange of route number 47.

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this gentleman is a salesman in the area

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he has been a resident of the area for

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the past 50 years

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and he has

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given us permission to interview him

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to show his face and to call him by name

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this in itself takes a lot of initiative

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and to be very plain

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a lot of know-how

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mr danberger

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in your own words would you please

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relate

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what happened last night

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well i was i am a salesman and i drive a

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truck

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and last night uh shortly after seven

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o'clock i was coming from marietta ohio

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coming down interstate 77.

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and just before i came to the

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intersection of

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route 47

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there was a car

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past me overtaking me from behind

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and following closely behind this car

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was this

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unidentified flying object

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and as the car head or the car behind

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past me this object

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was following close behind it and it

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swerved directly in front of my truck

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turning crosswise

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and when it turned crosswise it slowed

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down it started slowing not

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abruptly or too fast but it gave me

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plenty of time to step on my brakes and

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slow down with it but it forced me to

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as soon as i had stopped there was a

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door open in the side of this vehicle

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and this man

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stepped out

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and came directly to me

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or came to the truck he walked to the

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right hand side of the truck

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and he told me to roll down the window

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he asked me to roll down the window on

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my right hand side of my truck

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and i'd done what he asked

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and this man stood there and he

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he first asked me

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what i was called

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and i knew he meant my name and i told

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him my name

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and he asked me he said why are you

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frightened he said don't be frightened

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we wish you no harm

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he said we mean you no harm we wish you

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only happiness

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my name he said he was called cold

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that was the name that he was called by

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and he asked me what the city of

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parkinsburg he pointed to the lights he

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didn't point

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but he gave the impression that he was

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pointing and he asked me what that was

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called

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and i told him it was a

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parkersburg it was a city a town

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and he asked me if most all the people

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lived in my

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this city or town

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and i explained to him

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that it was a place of business it's

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where we transacted our

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business

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that the people lived in communities

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outlying communities most of the people

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and when i told him that this was a city

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he said at his

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where his home was that that was called

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a gathering

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again he told me not to be frightened

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which i was i was

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i was very frightened

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and as far as i can understand

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this was all mental there was no spoken

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words from him i knew what he was asking

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me

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but yet he stood there and his mouth did

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not move he had a smile on his face he

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he appeared very courteous and friendly

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and after i talked with him a while

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he told me he would see me he said we

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will see you again and

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he left in his

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vehicle now mr dernberger for the

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sake of our television audience here uh

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the the words that you used cold cold

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would be like uh cold is his name this

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is how it sounded to you that his name

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was cold yes

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and though the word

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gathering

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was like we would know together or

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something like that yes that's what he

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meant that was the impression that he

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gave and he did not move his lips nor

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utter any sound whatsoever he he talked

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with you in in telepathy then that was

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right that his lips did not move he

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uttered no words at all but you talked i

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mean he did yes i talked he told me

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he told me twice that i could either

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talk or i could think

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which either would be better or easier

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for me this was an instant thing this

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wasn't there was no hesitation on his

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part or on your part you knew

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immediately what he was

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communicating to you and he knew

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immediately what you were communicating

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what did this object what color was this

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object this object was between a real

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dark gray and black i would call it a

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charcoal collar

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it glistened in my headlights my

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headlights when it stopped me my

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headlights were shining directly on it

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that

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with our lights in it

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no i see no lights of any kind there was

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no lights in them there were windows

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if there was windows i couldn't detect

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them i couldn't see them

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and when the door now you could you had

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a very clear view from behind the wheel

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of your van

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he came forward toward you

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be did he tell you that he communicate

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to you to roll your window down before

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he got to the side of your truck was he

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still in your headlights when he

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commuted he was he was still in my

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headlights walking

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in a in a kind of a diagonal way across

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my headlights to the right-hand side of

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my truck when he told me then to roll

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down if i would please roll down the

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window on the right-hand side of my

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truck

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now in the beginning

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you were driving south on 77.

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from marietta yes toward mineral wells

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yes

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a car passed you it did

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immediately behind this car of what

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i would say between 25 and 30 feet it

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was very close to the other car uh it

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came this object yes hovering how far

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off the ground would you say well when

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it when i first seen it

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to 35 feet long

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and it came directly across

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past my truck and immediately turned

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sideways

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it was completely crossed the two-lane

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highway it was

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it completely blocked me i went partly

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off of the road onto the berm to try to

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go around it but i couldn't get around

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it

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now let me ask you something uh this

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then when it came in front of your car

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i have

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mr dernberger was kind enough to draw us

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a sketch of what this object appeared to

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him

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i'm correct then that

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the the object came alongside of your

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car veered in front of your car

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and as you slow or your truck and as you

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slowed your truck down the object slowed

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and then when it landed it didn't land

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it stayed off the ground yes it was

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approximately eight to ten inches off of

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the ground

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and as soon as it come to a stop

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immediately

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there was a door on the side facing me

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open and this man stepped out

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and he started walking immediately right

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to the right hand side of my truck now

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this is that would be then the picture

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we have on our screen right now that

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would be the

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be going right at that is that the idea

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that's that point now where would the

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door be in uh in that particular object

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there it would be right where the large

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part

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wilson back up front farther about here

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right there

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and the it uh it resembled just an

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ordinary automobile door when it opened

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all right now this it it didn't open

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from a bottom hinge or a top engine open

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yes it opened from the side how about

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would you i was this gentleman uh

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i was this person dressed uh what type

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of clothing did he wear

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he had a top coat on

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and it was zippered down the front

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uh his top uh the top two buttons

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like my coat here were open and he this

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uh outfit was a

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shiny material it was a

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glossy outfit

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like it was metallic i suppose you would

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call it and his shirt was a little bit

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darker than his jacket

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and below his coat he had on trousers of

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the same kind of a cloth material

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and i believe the trousers were just a

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shade lighter than his coat which would

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have been a navy blue the color

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dark blue yes

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uh what about the uh

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what about the texture of his skin the

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color of his skin uh his eyes eyebrows

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eyelashes hairline uh what what were

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these what did he look like he looked

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perfectly

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natural and norman as any human being he

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had

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deep suntan he was not too dark but it

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was just like he had been out in the sun

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a lot and had a good time

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his hair was combed straight back and it

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was a dark brown and he seemed to have

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a good thick head of hair and his

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eyebrows his face and his features were

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very normal

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i don't believe that he looked any

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different from any other

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man that we'd meet on the street now

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this

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ship that he stepped out of when he came

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when he

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left the ship

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and started toward your truck toward

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your van

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the ship remained

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there as he walked toward you know

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immediately that he stepped out of the

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truck or out of his vehicle the door

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closed and the vehicle lifted straight

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up it went straight just as straight as

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you could point upward and it went up

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and uh i did see it and uh occasionally

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as i was talking to this man i looked up

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and it was still there it was approx

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approximately 50 to 75 feet

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off of the ground and it stayed there

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all the time this

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man was talking to him now when he did

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when he talked to you did he uh turn his

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head away as i'm turning my head away

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now or did he

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stare right at you or did uh

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what what was

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what was his movement he watched me when

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he was talking to me he looked at me

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directly in the face

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but as uh there were several cars and

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several big trucks passed

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and as these big trucks would pass he

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would turn his head and glance at the

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trucks but there was no

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uh

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did you look at the object in the air

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while he was talking with you did you

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glance something yes i in fact i i

321
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leaned forward and looked kind of out of

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my windshield and i could see it it was

323
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still

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so then this communication that you that

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he had with you would not necessarily

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depend upon him looking you in the eye

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or anything like that they're not

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evident no no i he did not in fact when

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he first got out of the

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vehicle when he told me to roll the

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window down he it was impossible for him

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to see my eyes because i was behind my

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own headlights

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and he could not have done it how old

335
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would you say he was he left me

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approximately 35 40 years old

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he was very nice looking man he was neat

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and

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what specifically did he say to you what

340
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did he say

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hi it's a nice evening or what i mean

342
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why did he stop you what was his when he

343
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when he asked me to roll the window down

344
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which i did i rolled the window down and

345
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he told me he said

346
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i would like to talk to

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you and uh

348
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i just couldn't answer him i just

349
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couldn't speak and at that that is the

350
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first time he told me not to be

351
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frightened he said he wished me no harm

352
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and

353
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he talked a little bit in this vein he

354
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asked me why he said why are you

355
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fighting with us he said we are the same

356
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as you she said we eat we breathe we

357
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sleep we bleed even as you do

358
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he said we are like you

359
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and he said please be not frightened did

360
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he say where he was from

361
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he did not say where he was from but

362
00:14:41,269 --> 00:14:38,800
when he asked me what parkersburg was

363
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and i told him he said it

364
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at where i s where i stay or where i

365
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live my home he said we call this a

366
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gathering

367
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did he say anything about him did he

368
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volunteer

369
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uh did he did he have a family what did

370
00:14:59,670 --> 00:14:55,440
what

371
00:15:03,030 --> 00:14:59,680
where you were he asked me he asked me

372
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if i if i worked for a living

373
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he asked me if i if i had to work to

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live

375
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and i explained to him what i was i he

376
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even asked me where i lived and i told

377
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him

378
00:15:20,310 --> 00:15:17,920
and he told me that he was a searcher

379
00:15:21,670 --> 00:15:20,320
a searcher a searcher but he didn't tell

380
00:15:23,430 --> 00:15:21,680
you what he was searching for no he

381
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didn't

382
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information other than this

383
00:15:34,470 --> 00:15:31,519
but at two or three times he did tell me

384
00:15:36,310 --> 00:15:34,480
he said mr dernberger look at me

385
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he said do not be frightened and look at

386
00:15:39,110 --> 00:15:37,279
me

387
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and i believe if i hadn't been

388
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frightened i believe that if i had

389
00:15:44,230 --> 00:15:42,160
looked to him

390
00:15:45,269 --> 00:15:44,240
i believe that i could understood a lot

391
00:15:47,430 --> 00:15:45,279
more of

392
00:15:49,350 --> 00:15:47,440
what he wanted me to than what i

393
00:15:51,509 --> 00:15:49,360
actually did

394
00:15:55,030 --> 00:15:51,519
you just have this feeling i mean i have

395
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that feeling i

396
00:16:01,030 --> 00:15:58,720
i i was very nervous i was very upset

397
00:16:03,990 --> 00:16:01,040
after this happened

398
00:16:06,629 --> 00:16:04,000
and after i got home and after i had

399
00:16:08,389 --> 00:16:06,639
calmed down i can look back now and i

400
00:16:10,150 --> 00:16:08,399
see where i should have asked him

401
00:16:12,389 --> 00:16:10,160
questions and i believe i had the

402
00:16:14,870 --> 00:16:12,399
impression that he would have answered

403
00:16:16,470 --> 00:16:14,880
these questions readily you believe in

404
00:16:18,710 --> 00:16:16,480
flying saucers

405
00:16:21,110 --> 00:16:18,720
i have never have believed in frying

406
00:16:22,949 --> 00:16:21,120
saucers before i

407
00:16:25,749 --> 00:16:22,959
i have heard about them

408
00:16:27,749 --> 00:16:25,759
a few times i've even read in the paper

409
00:16:29,430 --> 00:16:27,759
about flying objects

410
00:16:31,990 --> 00:16:29,440
but i

411
00:16:33,749 --> 00:16:32,000
honestly never did believe in it

412
00:16:35,829 --> 00:16:33,759
do you believe in them now

413
00:16:37,350 --> 00:16:35,839
i believe in what i see last night i

414
00:16:44,629 --> 00:16:37,360
believe it was

415
00:16:46,629 --> 00:16:44,639
some kind of an aircraft or spacecraft

416
00:16:48,470 --> 00:16:46,639
or something mr dernberger we have a

417
00:16:49,269 --> 00:16:48,480
program on radio called the joe pine

418
00:16:52,389 --> 00:16:49,279
show

419
00:16:55,910 --> 00:16:52,399
and mr pine interviews

420
00:16:58,230 --> 00:16:55,920
extraordinary people in various

421
00:17:00,389 --> 00:16:58,240
uh that are involved in various

422
00:17:02,829 --> 00:17:00,399
occupations and

423
00:17:05,110 --> 00:17:02,839
and some

424
00:17:06,230 --> 00:17:05,120
non-occupational type of

425
00:17:08,069 --> 00:17:06,240
businesses

426
00:17:09,829 --> 00:17:08,079
and

427
00:17:12,390 --> 00:17:09,839
have you ever heard of joe pine no i

428
00:17:15,270 --> 00:17:12,400
haven't i don't believe i have all right

429
00:17:16,150 --> 00:17:15,280
on one of his recent broadcasts

430
00:17:21,270 --> 00:17:16,160
he

431
00:17:23,029 --> 00:17:21,280
who had not only had somewhat similar uh

432
00:17:25,429 --> 00:17:23,039
somewhat similar experience to what you

433
00:17:26,630 --> 00:17:25,439
had last evening

434
00:17:28,470 --> 00:17:26,640
but

435
00:17:31,669 --> 00:17:28,480
this gentleman went one step further and

436
00:17:34,310 --> 00:17:31,679
he had taken uh been taken aboard

437
00:17:36,630 --> 00:17:34,320
a spaceship which by the way was

438
00:17:39,750 --> 00:17:36,640
described quite similar similarly to

439
00:17:41,830 --> 00:17:39,760
what you described this particular ship

440
00:17:44,310 --> 00:17:41,840
and this ship with these people who

441
00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:44,320
looked like we do and so forth took him

442
00:17:48,710 --> 00:17:46,640
to venus and took him to mars and

443
00:17:50,230 --> 00:17:48,720
brought him back home again

444
00:17:51,830 --> 00:17:50,240
what what would you think of a story

445
00:17:53,029 --> 00:17:51,840
like that if somebody told it to you

446
00:17:54,310 --> 00:17:53,039
what would you think of the person

447
00:17:55,990 --> 00:17:54,320
telling you that story would you believe

448
00:17:59,190 --> 00:17:56,000
that now would you believe that that

449
00:18:01,669 --> 00:17:59,200
could be possible now mister uh man i

450
00:18:03,350 --> 00:18:01,679
believe now that that could happen if

451
00:18:06,390 --> 00:18:03,360
someone would have told me yesterday

452
00:18:09,110 --> 00:18:06,400
before this happened i would have

453
00:18:11,430 --> 00:18:09,120
frankly thought he was enough

454
00:18:14,310 --> 00:18:11,440
but i honestly believe now that it could

455
00:18:16,549 --> 00:18:14,320
happen i wouldn't i'm surely not going

456
00:18:19,430 --> 00:18:16,559
to say it couldn't happen

457
00:18:22,710 --> 00:18:19,440
uh now these men last night or this man

458
00:18:24,950 --> 00:18:22,720
he made uh gave me no indication that he

459
00:18:27,430 --> 00:18:24,960
wanted me on his ship he didn't ask me

460
00:18:29,750 --> 00:18:27,440
to get out of my truck

461
00:18:31,590 --> 00:18:29,760
as i say he was very friendly and

462
00:18:33,190 --> 00:18:31,600
courteous

463
00:18:34,549 --> 00:18:33,200
and uh

464
00:18:37,029 --> 00:18:34,559
you drink

465
00:18:38,230 --> 00:18:37,039
no i do not drink okay

466
00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:38,240
other i mean you don't drink

467
00:18:43,909 --> 00:18:40,240
intoxicating beverages no i do not drink

468
00:18:45,590 --> 00:18:43,919
any intoxicating beverages at all i

469
00:18:47,029 --> 00:18:45,600
i don't believe in drinking and i just

470
00:18:50,789 --> 00:18:47,039
don't

471
00:18:55,190 --> 00:18:50,799
but what i saw last night i know that i

472
00:18:57,830 --> 00:18:55,200
saw it it was no figment of imagination

473
00:19:00,390 --> 00:18:57,840
it was there and i was there and

474
00:19:03,270 --> 00:19:00,400
now you you said that uh he he also made

475
00:19:05,590 --> 00:19:03,280
the statement that we will see you again

476
00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:05,600
when he was getting ready to leave he

477
00:19:10,230 --> 00:19:07,600
stepped back

478
00:19:11,750 --> 00:19:10,240
from the truck about one step and he

479
00:19:14,710 --> 00:19:11,760
said uh

480
00:19:17,190 --> 00:19:14,720
mr dernberger we will see you again he

481
00:19:19,669 --> 00:19:17,200
didn't say i he said we

482
00:19:20,950 --> 00:19:19,679
will see you again

483
00:19:23,110 --> 00:19:20,960
and uh

484
00:19:24,390 --> 00:19:23,120
when he got in the truck or when he got

485
00:19:26,549 --> 00:19:24,400
in the vehicle

486
00:19:29,750 --> 00:19:26,559
the door opened as he walked up to the

487
00:19:31,750 --> 00:19:29,760
vehicle and he stepped up into it

488
00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:31,760
and there was another

489
00:19:38,150 --> 00:19:33,360
man

490
00:19:40,950 --> 00:19:38,160
i can just see his outline but i did see

491
00:19:42,789 --> 00:19:40,960
his arm and hand reach outside and take

492
00:19:44,230 --> 00:19:42,799
a hold of the door and pull the door

493
00:19:49,830 --> 00:19:44,240
closed

494
00:19:52,230 --> 00:19:49,840
audible noise like you shut the door

495
00:19:54,870 --> 00:19:52,240
onto the big heavy automobile what kind

496
00:19:57,590 --> 00:19:54,880
of a noise did this object make when it

497
00:19:59,029 --> 00:19:57,600
was uh hovering above the ground six or

498
00:20:01,029 --> 00:19:59,039
ten inches and

499
00:20:02,070 --> 00:20:01,039
and then uh upon

500
00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:02,080
uh

501
00:20:09,029 --> 00:20:06,720
went back up in the air 75 or 100 feet

502
00:20:10,870 --> 00:20:09,039
uh this is a an object now that we're

503
00:20:12,070 --> 00:20:10,880
talking about that's nine eight or nine

504
00:20:14,230 --> 00:20:12,080
feet high

505
00:20:16,150 --> 00:20:14,240
36 feet long

506
00:20:18,830 --> 00:20:16,160
and about eight or nine feet across

507
00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:18,840
that's right in brett

508
00:20:21,830 --> 00:20:20,480
uh

509
00:20:23,669 --> 00:20:21,840
it would

510
00:20:26,230 --> 00:20:23,679
although it's really not too large an

511
00:20:28,470 --> 00:20:26,240
object it is it's larger than what a an

512
00:20:30,390 --> 00:20:28,480
automobile for example yes

513
00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:30,400
uh and to lift something like that would

514
00:20:33,990 --> 00:20:32,400
take a lot of

515
00:20:36,789 --> 00:20:34,000
a lot of force to do this what kind of a

516
00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:36,799
sound did this make it the the sound

517
00:20:41,270 --> 00:20:39,200
when it was hovering over the ground and

518
00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:41,280
when it was lifting i i couldn't

519
00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:43,120
distinguish no difference in the sound

520
00:20:49,270 --> 00:20:46,960
it was a low fluttering noise it uh

521
00:20:51,750 --> 00:20:49,280
well if you've ever heard the blades of

522
00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:51,760
a helicopter as it was idling sitting on

523
00:20:56,310 --> 00:20:54,480
the ground that would be the closest way

524
00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:56,320
that i could describe the noise it made

525
00:21:02,630 --> 00:20:58,559
but it was not very very loud can you

526
00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:04,310
it was a fluttering noise it sounded

527
00:21:12,549 --> 00:21:09,909
but it's a sound you've never heard

528
00:21:14,789 --> 00:21:12,559
before i had never heard anything

529
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:14,799
like it before in my life let's let's

530
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:16,640
get back to this uh

531
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:18,720
let's get back to the fella here now he

532
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:20,559
was how tall

533
00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:22,799
i would say he was close to six feet

534
00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:25,919
tall and he'd weigh around 180 or 100

535
00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:29,440
maybe i'm six feet tall he's heavier

536
00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:31,679
height but heavier than that yes he was

537
00:21:37,510 --> 00:21:35,120
heavier his face was more full he's how

538
00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:37,520
much do you figure that i would weigh

539
00:21:42,789 --> 00:21:40,080
i'd say about a hundred and

540
00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:42,799
sixty five to seventy hundred are you

541
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:45,120
you're right on the button that's that's

542
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:46,320
right

543
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:47,520
uh

544
00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:49,600
there were no lights this was now this

545
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:51,600
was dark this time of night you were it

546
00:21:56,870 --> 00:21:54,559
was dark it was completely dark but i

547
00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:56,880
never at any time turn my headlights off

548
00:22:00,149 --> 00:21:58,960
and i also had the lights in the truck

549
00:22:02,549 --> 00:22:00,159
on

550
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:02,559
i have a cab light and then i have

551
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:05,520
lights back through my truck

552
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:07,679
and these lights were on it gave good

553
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:10,960
illumination up close to the truck

554
00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:12,799
but not too far back but while he was

555
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:15,280
standing and talking to me i could see

556
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:16,720
him clearly

557
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:19,200
and at several times there was cars

558
00:22:22,390 --> 00:22:21,360
passed and trucks passed

559
00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:22,400
and uh

560
00:22:25,750 --> 00:22:24,799
especially cars that came up from behind

561
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:25,760
me

562
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:29,039
throwing their headlights directly on

563
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:31,200
the back end of my truck and was

564
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:33,280
throwing a good light on him

565
00:22:37,270 --> 00:22:35,760
but no one slowed down or no one

566
00:22:39,029 --> 00:22:37,280
straight down as

567
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:39,039
but they would have easily been able to

568
00:22:42,549 --> 00:22:41,039
see him yes thank you suppose maybe

569
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:42,559
somebody in our

570
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:44,159
audience might have passed you last

571
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:45,039
evening

572
00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:46,559
standing there talking with this fellow

573
00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:49,200
i know that there was several cars past

574
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:51,520
me and one car as this thing settled

575
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:53,520
down in front of me was coming to meet

576
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:54,400
me

577
00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:55,840
and when this thing was directly in

578
00:23:01,350 --> 00:22:58,720
front of me this car came to meet me

579
00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:01,360
and his headlights were it was in a kind

580
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:03,440
of a curve where this guy came to meet

581
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:05,280
me would be making a left-hand curve and

582
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:07,360
his lights would be shining off to the

583
00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:08,640
right

584
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:10,559
but i still think that he could have

585
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:13,600
seen and probably did see

586
00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:15,840
whatever this object was

587
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:18,320
glenn i've been monopolizing here you uh

588
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:19,760
sneak in with the questions some

589
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:23,200
questions you'd like to ask

590
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:26,000
i know personally that mr dernberger was

591
00:23:29,350 --> 00:23:27,840
scared because i talked to him a short

592
00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:29,360
time after this happened by telephone

593
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:31,760
last night

594
00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:33,200
what did your wife think when you told

595
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:35,200
him about this episode

596
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:37,360
well my wife was uh

597
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:40,080
she took it pretty calmly but

598
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:43,520
it kind of made her nervous she uh

599
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:45,840
she worried today before i started back

600
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:47,679
to work she thought

601
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:51,760
the same thing could happen again and

602
00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:54,000
she believes that

603
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:56,320
what i told her

604
00:24:01,990 --> 00:23:59,760
and she's pretty upset herself about it

605
00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:02,000
this stop communication

606
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:04,320
which is apparently extra sensory

607
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:06,880
perception or mental telepathy

608
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:08,640
when uh was you first aware that this

609
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:11,360
was the way that you were communicating

610
00:24:16,149 --> 00:24:14,159
well uh when he first told me to come

611
00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:16,159
when he first got out of his vehicle and

612
00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:18,159
started over to my car that is when he

613
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:20,080
first told me or asked me if i'd roll

614
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:21,919
down my window

615
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:24,640
at that time right at that minute

616
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:27,120
i didn't know that

617
00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:30,320
it was mental telepathy

618
00:24:34,710 --> 00:24:33,360
but when he came to the door

619
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:34,720
and looked in through the window from

620
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:36,880
the right-hand side of the truck and i

621
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:39,120
realized that he was speaking but his

622
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:41,120
lips were not moving is this the thing

623
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:43,919
that frightens you this is what made me

624
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:46,480
that frightened me more than anything i

625
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:48,159
believe that had happened

626
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:50,159
happened to a time even more so than

627
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:52,240
when i actually seen the

628
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:53,360
object

629
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:56,720
and i know that

630
00:25:01,830 --> 00:24:58,880
he told me not to be frightened he was

631
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:01,840
very reassuring in his attitude he was

632
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:04,320
friendly he smiled continuously while i

633
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:06,080
talked to him

634
00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:08,159
he kept his arms folded something like

635
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:11,120
this all the time his arms were folded

636
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:13,120
completely at all times like i said his

637
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:14,880
hands were hidden

638
00:25:19,269 --> 00:25:17,120
and at the time i talked to him i didn't

639
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:19,279
think nothing about it but after i

640
00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:21,600
started home i did wonder why he stood

641
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,960
that way

642
00:25:26,830 --> 00:25:24,480
and as i believe one of you gentlemen

643
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:26,840
asked me before

644
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:30,400
uh about his hands when this man closed

645
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:32,240
the door when he got back into the

646
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:34,080
vehicle i distinctly seen this other

647
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:36,640
man's hand and arm

648
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:37,679
and uh

649
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:39,360
his arm looked

650
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:41,440
completely normal in his hand now you

651
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:44,400
describe the uh you describe the attire

652
00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:46,000
of this person

653
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:47,919
uh

654
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:54,640
wearing than than a uniform yes we know

655
00:25:58,950 --> 00:25:55,600
as a

656
00:26:01,750 --> 00:25:58,960
i would say that it wasn't a uniform

657
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:01,760
it didn't have you know the

658
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:03,679
the cut of the uniform it was more like

659
00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:05,440
you'd uh wear a

660
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:08,480
suit to town or was it a clock like this

661
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:11,279
well it was a bright shiny color cloth

662
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:13,440
it looked like a what my wife calls a

663
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:15,120
hard fabric

664
00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:17,600
it glistened when the lights would shine

665
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:18,799
on it

666
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:20,720
a luminous time yes

667
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:22,640
the arm that came out

668
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:24,640
another arm from inside came out to

669
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:26,159
close the door when this gentleman got

670
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:26,960
back

671
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:28,159
uh

672
00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:32,400
in the same type of

673
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:35,600
i would say it was identically the same

674
00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:37,679
it looked the same to

675
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:39,760
now he had on

676
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:41,840
from what you could

677
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:45,440
see he had on a shirt that buttoned

678
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:48,640
he had a collar but no tie he had no tie

679
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:51,279
but i know that the top button of his

680
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:52,960
shirt at the throat i know he had a

681
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:55,279
button there i seen that

682
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:57,039
i looked at that button

683
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:00,640
this button now his top coat

684
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:02,799
was zippered

685
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:05,760
it had a zipper on the front of his coat

686
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:10,070
he looked perfectly normal why do you

687
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:11,440
suppose

688
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:15,200
to uh

689
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:17,279
the right hand side of your truck rather

690
00:27:19,909 --> 00:27:18,000
than

691
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:19,919
the nearest side to you why do you

692
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:22,080
figure that he came around

693
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:24,240
that time well the only reason that i

694
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:25,919
could uh

695
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:29,760
give for that was that i had two wheels

696
00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:31,760
off on the berm and two wheels sitting

697
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:33,279
on the highway where i'd been trying to

698
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:34,559
get around this before he got me

699
00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:36,720
completely stopped and i believe that

700
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:38,559
this man actually knew the traffic

701
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:41,760
conditions i believe he knew that

702
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:43,679
he would be safer on the other now if he

703
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:45,440
didn't use

704
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:47,279
words in communicating with you if you

705
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:48,880
use thoughts why did he have you roll

706
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:50,480
your window down so that he could hear

707
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:51,679
you

708
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:54,559
so i feel that this was why he didn't i

709
00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:56,000
believe that he had me to roll the

710
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:57,600
window down so he could look at me

711
00:28:02,470 --> 00:27:59,120
without looking through the glass

712
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,480
because the glass was very rain street

713
00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:04,559
where had been raining

714
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:06,799
and that is the impression that i got

715
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:08,880
that he wanted the window down so i'd be

716
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:11,840
in closer communication with him or so

717
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:14,880
we could see each other

718
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:17,279
the uh

719
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:23,669
time when he when he left you when he

720
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:25,840
when your conversation was and how did

721
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:27,520
you know that it was all over did he say

722
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:28,720
well that's

723
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:30,880
did he say anything to the fact that

724
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:32,720
while i've got to be going now i have to

725
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:33,919
go i know

726
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:35,520
what did how did he terminate this

727
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:38,159
economy he terminated his conversation

728
00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:40,159
very quickly

729
00:28:43,029 --> 00:28:41,039
uh

730
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:43,039
one second we were talking there and the

731
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:44,960
next thing this vehicle settled down

732
00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:46,960
right the side he stepped back from the

733
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:48,399
truck and

734
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:49,760
when he stepped back this thing came

735
00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:52,399
right back down now it wasn't crosswise

736
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:54,159
the road when it came down it was

737
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:55,919
heading in the same direction i was it

738
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:56,640
was

739
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:58,559
like the length of the truck

740
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:01,120
and when they settled down he turned and

741
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:02,880
walked up around in front of my

742
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:05,520
headlights and back but just before he

743
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:07,200
started he said

744
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:09,360
mr dernberger we will be seeing you

745
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:12,960
again you believe he will

746
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:18,549
i did believe it but now i i don't know

747
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:21,600
how to answer that honestly because i'm

748
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:25,440
afraid he will and i don't want him to

749
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:27,039
but i

750
00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:33,590
you're apprehensive that he will see you

751
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:34,799
yet

752
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,559
experience well i

753
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:42,240
i don't think that i'd be quite so

754
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,559
frightened i think that i could ask him

755
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:46,640
a few questions i think i could ask him

756
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:48,720
just about as many years as me now well

757
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:51,200
mr dernberger

758
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:54,480
because of time uh we appreciate you